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‘Designated Survivor’ and ‘Speechless’ Earn Their Full-Season Renewals on ABC


What follows are the fast affiliate results for Wednesday, October 5 broken out by network and by each half-hour.

-Total Viewers:
Fox: 7.86 million, CBS: 7.32, ABC: 6.50, NBC: 5.83, CW: 1.62

-Adults 18-49:

Fox: 2.5 rating/9 share, ABC: 1.8/ 6, CBS: 1.4/ 5, NBC: 1.3/ 5, CW: 0.5/ 2


Survivor (CBS), The Goldbergs (ABC), Speechless (ABC), Lethal Weapon (Fox), Modern Family (ABC), Designated Survivor (ABC)

-Could Be Better/Could Be Worse:
Blindspot (NBC), Law & Order: SVU (NBC), Chicago PD (NBC)

Arrow (CW)

Frequency (CS)


8:00 p.m.

ABC – The Goldbergs
Viewers: 6.33 million (#2), A18-49: 1.8/ 7 (#1t)

CBS – Survivor
Viewers: 8.50 (#1) million (#2), A18-49: 1.8/ 7 (#1t)

NBC – Blindspot
Viewers: 5.71 million (#4), A18-49: 1.3/ 5 (#4)

Fox – Lethal Weapon
Viewers: 6.11 million (#3), A18-49: 1.5/ 6 (#3)

CW – Arrow (season premiere)
Viewers: 1.92 million (#5), A18-49: 0.7/ 3 (#5)


8:30 p.m.

ABC – Speechless
Viewers: 6.10 million (#2), A18-49: 1.8/ 6 (#1t)

CBS – Survivor
Viewers: 8.55 (#1) million (#2), A18-49: 1.8/ 7 (#1t)

NBC – Blindspot
Viewers: 5.51 million (#4), A18-49: 1.3/ 5 (#4)

Fox – Lethal Weapon
Viewers: 6.84 million (#3), A18-49: 1.8/ 7 (#1t)

CW – Arrow (season premiere)
Viewers: 1.85 million (#5), A18-49: 0.7/ 2 (#5)


9:00 p.m.

ABC – Modern Family
Viewers: 7.03 million (#3), A18-49: 2.2/ 8 (#2)

CBS – Criminal Minds
Viewers: 7.71 (#2) million (#2), A18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#3)

NBC – Law & Order: SVU
Viewers: 5.52 million (#4), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#4)

Fox – Empire
Viewers: 8.96 million (#1), A18-49: 3.2/11 (#1)

CW – Frequency (series premiere)
Viewers: 1.41 million (#5), A18-49: 0.4/ 1 (#5)


9:30 p.m.

ABC – black-ish
Viewers: 5.37 million (#4), A18-49: 1.6/ 5 (#2)

CBS – Criminal Minds
Viewers: 7.47 (#2) million (#2), A18-49: 1.4/ 5 (#3t)

NBC – Law & Order: SVU
Viewers: 5.87 million (#4), A18-49: 1.3/ 5 (#3t)

Fox – Empire
Viewers: 9.53 million (#1), A18-49: 3.4/11 (#1)

CW – Frequency (series premiere)
Viewers: 1.31 million (#5), A18-49: 0.3/ 1 (#5)


10:00 p.m.

ABC – Designated Survivor
Viewers: 7.37 million (#1), A18-49: 1.7/ 6 (#1)

CBS – Code Black
Viewers: 6.00 (#3) million (#2), A18-49: 1.0/ 4 (#3)

NBC – Chicago PD
Viewers: 6.17 million (#2), A18-49: 1.3/ 5 (#2)


10:30 p.m.

ABC – Designated Survivor
Viewers: 6.82 million (#1), A18-49: 1.5/ 6 (#1)

CBS – Code Black
Viewers: 5.71 (#3) million (#2), A18-49: 1.0/ 4 (#3)

NBC – Chicago PD
Viewers: 6.17 million (#2), A18-49: 1.4/ 5 (#2)

Source: Nielsen Media Research


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    Wednesday Primetime Results:

    “Blindspot” (1.3/5 in 18-49, 5.6 million viewers overall from 8-9 p.m. ET):

    · Grows +8% versus last week’s 1.2 in these prelim fast-affiliate ratings in 18-49 and matches last week’s 1.3 in official nationals.

    · In total viewers (5.613 million), is up versus last week’s 5.567 million in fast-affiliate ratings and 5.604 million in official nationals.

    · Equals the show’s highest 18-49 rating since April 25 (1.4), excluding a Sept. 14 episode that followed the season finale of “America’s Got Talent.”

    · Matches the show’s last four telecasts on Monday night last season, each of which benefited from a “Voice” lead-in.

    · Is up +18% versus NBC’s average in the hour last season in 18-49 (1.3 vs. 1.1, L+SD non-sports).

    · Will add significant viewership via time-shifting and VOD – the previous week’s “Blindspot” grew by +69% in 18-49 rating (from a 1.3 to 2.2) and +2.8 million viewers overall (5.6 million to 8.4 million) going from L+SD to L+6.

    · Upscale: Is delivering a strong upscale audience, indexing at a 120 among adults 18-49 living in homes with $100K+ incomes (100 represents an average concentration of those homes).

    “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit” (1.3/4 in 18-49, 5.7 million viewers overall from 9-10 p.m. ET):

    · Is close to rounding up to a 1.4 rating in 18-49 (currently reporting a 1.34 in these preliminary fast-affiliate ratings).

    · Is currently running within 0.1 of a point of CBS’s “Criminal Minds” (1.3 vs. 1.4) and ties it in the 9:30-10 p.m. half-hour (1.4 vs. 1.4).

    · Facing competition last night from ESPN’s MLB Playoffs, is currently running within 0.2 of last week’s 1.5 in these prelim fast-affiliate ratings in 18-49 and within 0.3 of last week’s 1.6 in official nationals.

    · In total viewers, is running within 6% of both last week’s 6.045 million in fast-affiliate ratings and 6.090 million in official nationals

    · Is maintaining +100% of what the show was averaging at the end of last season in 18-49 (1.3 vs. 1.3 during the May sweep).

    · Will add substantial viewership via time-shifting and VOD – last week’s “Law & Order: SVU” grew by +69% in 18-49 rating (from a 1.6 to a 2.76) and more than +3.1 million viewers overall (6.1 million to 9.2 million) going from L+SD to L+6.

    “Chicago P.D.” (1.3/5 in 18-49, 6.2 million viewers overall from 10-11 p.m. ET):

    · Is close to rounding up to a 1.4 rating in 18-49 (currently reporting a 1.345 in these prelim fast-affiliate ratings).

    · Grows week to week in total viewers (6.170 million vs. 6.139 million), despite last night’s Giants-Mets baseball playoff competition.

    · Ties for #1 in the time period among ABC, CBS and NBC in adults 18-34 and ranks #1 outright among those nets, ahead of ABC’s “Designated Survivor,” in women 18-34.

    · Outrates CBS’s “Code Black” in the time period in every key measure.

    · Despite the 10 p.m. hour, grows half-hour to half-hour in adults 18-49 (1.3 to 1.4), as well as women 18-49 and men 18-49.

    · Will add significant viewership via time-shifting and VOD – last week’s “Chicago P.D.” increased by +73% in 18-49 (1.5 to 2.6) and more than +3.6 million viewers overall (6.1 million to 9.8 million) going from L+SD to L+6.

    In Late-Night Metered Markets Wednesday Night:

    · In Nielsen’s 56 metered markets, household results were: “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon,” 2.4/6; “Late Show with Stephen Colbert,” 2.2/6; and ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live,” 2.1/5.

    · In the 25 markets with Local People Meters, adult 18-49 results were: “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon,” 0.7/4; “Late Show,” 0.4/2; and “Jimmy Kimmel Live,” 0.7/4.

    · From 12:35-1:05 a.m. ET, ABC’s “Nightline” averaged a 1.4/5 in metered-market households and a 0.4/3 in 18-49 in the Local People Meters.

    · From 12:35-1:35 a.m. ET, ratings were: “Late Night with Seth Meyers,” 1.2/4 in metered-market households; CBS’s “Late Late Show,” 1.1/4. In the 25 markets with Local People Meters, averages were: “Late Night,” 0.4/3 in 18-49; “Late Late Show,” 0.2/1.

    · At 1:35 a.m., “Last Call with Carson Daly” averaged a 0.7/3 in metered-market households and a 0.2/2 in adults 18-49 in the 25 markets with local people meters.

    NOTE: Primetime results are based on “fast affiliate time period” data from Nielsen Media Research. All ratings are “live plus same day” unless otherwise indicated.

  2. Wednesdays are a very interesting week but man things were rating so low last night maybe the Giants-Mets playoff game had something to do with it but I think some of these declines on some of these shows were coming regardless of sports competition on cable.

    For FOX still a nice outing from Lethal Weapon but the question is where does it settle in at? Wednesdays are literally the only night of the week where they look like a real network. With them potentially having the Chicago Cubs in the NLCS they should be airing a majority of those games on big FOX instead of little FOX on FS1.

    Survivor still doin’ its thang but one of its lower all-time weeks I believe. Criminal Minds is starting to become a real concern as they’ve lost way too many key players on there and now with Thomas Gibson gone so are the viewers. I think this show is dying on them and some of their viewers might start watching SVU instead in the coming weeks and months. Code Black is a complete Code Blue right now I thought it would be doing better honestly but it’s doing even worse than last year. There is an option still left for it and that’s for CBS to move it to Thursdays when Pure Genius fails on them as it did decently during the summertime in that slot.

    ABC Wednesdays are getting lower and lower every week but the only good news is that demo player Speechless is holding up better than expected but it’s not the hit that they really needed. With their comedy ratings going in the toilet this year I’m expecting the worst for their Tuesday lineup, this week will probably do well but the weeks after the premiere will be horrible as they have bigger competition to go up against on Tuesdays on CBS and NBC.

    Blindspot is settling in pretty well for NBC in that slot and performing similar if not slightly better than Laura but down in viewership there but it seems to be doing okay there. I was a little shocked that SVU and PD didn’t do better although both of them went up to a 1.4 in finals but the competition against them is sliding so I expect both of them to rise back up like they usually do in November. With Criminal Minds sliding there I can see SVU stealing viewers from them.

    I always go over the 10pm battle every week but every week it surprises me because of how bad Designated Survivor is doing there every week it is dropping very hard every week. I honestly didn’t expect it to be in the mid 1s this early in the game. Luckily for ABC and DS, Chicago PD didn’t reach a 1.5 this week surprisingly but it got a 1.4 in finals so it’s real close right now so it still topped the hour but I expect Chicago PD to take control over this hour eventually. DS isn’t rising from where its at either which is not a good sign at all. I think I can confirm today how right I was about ABC choosing the wrong timeslot for the show I don’t think it would be doing this bad if it was elsewhere on the schedule particularly the 9pm hour. Code Black isn’t a big factor like I thought it would be either.

    As for The CW, it looks like they’re struggling out of the gate and maybe some of that is a lack of promotion this season maybe it’s also losing WGN in the Chicago market as well which really hurts them and I’ve heard repeats of Last Man Standing and Two and a Half Men are doing way better there than The CW did in the past couple of weeks. They’re going to be falling off a ton this year and Arrow looks to have aged on them and I’ve noticed it’s replaying on TNT pretty hard right now.

    • Are you THAT sure the Cubs are going to the NLCS? You can bet they were rooting hard for the injury-plagued Mets last night. San Francisco’s got that even-year voodoo magic going on and they’re expected to give the usually-cursed Cubs a headache in the NLDS, no matter how many regular season wins the Cubs earned. I even think we’ll see MadBum pitch twice in that series, the latter in relief. That guy’s a playoff beast. Fox and MLB execs are praying for a Chicago win, though — SF is a ratings dud!

      I know you’re still reeling from losing Nashville to CMT (LOL!) but how could DS being doing “bad” when it’s easily winning the hour, as expected? And it has done (and will do) vastly better than Nashville ever did Wednesdays at 10 pm so this is a win for ABC.

      The move to WPWR in Chicago may have affected the CW a bit (The Flash premiere was down but not drastically) BUT in the case for Arrow, they ticked off fans by no longer having the Laurel character on the show. That was a jump-the-shark moment.

      • Your guess is as good as mines on the Cubs, we know they are capable of choking at anytime and the Giants are definitely going to be hard out for them out of the gates. I’m just thrilled my Jays got an important road win to kickoff that series down in Dallas kicking their asses in. FOX is definitely rooting for the Cubs and what network wouldn’t? Probably would be the largest World Series ratings we’ve seen since the Yanks-Phils 2009 World Series easily and a game 7 would hit old school ratings type numbers that’s guaranteed to top game 7 of this year’s NBA Finals.

        Honestly I’ve felt like Nashville has had a good run I would be satisfied with just 4 seasons but when it comes to DS you’ve already been wrong on this. You’re defending a show that hasn’t come through in the clutch for you just like your Giants the past 4 seasons. It’s numbers are very close to what Nashville was getting last year and Chicago PD is about to take that slot back over.

    • Agree generally with your grim description so won’t repeat it. 🙂

      On CW, I think they, like most of the other networks, don’t have much of a promo budget any longer, and having no hits can’t do free promotion that amounts to much.

      They’re also regarded by non-Hollywood viewers as “What’s CW”? or “that network with the bad shows” which would make it hard for them to debut anything that’s not a comic-book adaptation even if they made a good one.

      On NBC, I think your fondness for SVU may be hiding the fact that its ratings are quite low now and that the competition may be weak but it is unlikely to profit from it. We’ll see.

      Totally agree with you on the new shows sliding down. Designated Survivor started with solid, if not hit-worthy, numbers, but now it is already another of those ‘not quite there” shows the litter the ratings charts.

      At CBS, I have no idea (other that the usual cronyism) why they thought bringing back Code Black was a good idea….

        • I think I mentioned once overhearing people at a restaurant talking TV and one of them saying “what’s the CW?”

          Not a scientific survey, but it stuck with me. 🙂

          • I’m not surprised by that because people I’ve talked to in the past have never heard of The CW or know what the hell it is. That’s how irrelevant that network is really. Sometimes I’m like man were you living in a cave or lying when people say they haven’t heard of a popular network that’s not one of the big 4 but on The CW it’s way different. That’s a legit unknown network there and when you’ve got people who haven’t heard of that network then you’ve got problems and need to cancel the network or rebrand it.

            • I’ve had the same experiences as I’ve noted recently. 🙂

              I think you’re entirely right that the only way to “save” CW is to entirely re-brand it.

              It would actually be branding and not re-branding for most of the population anyway.

              They could also start fresh and if they followed a few easy precepts: don’t hire the usual flop-makers, stop being ageist, hire executives with successful film-making experience to run the network, etc… they could quickly clobber what’s left of the Not-So-Big-4…

              • I’m glad you shared that with me especially since it was recent because this is a network that’s been out for 10 years and it’s an over the air free broadcast network that should be easy to find for at least 95% of the country. It’s not some hard access specialty hidden international cable network.

                You said it perfectly it would be more like branding than re-branding since nobody knows what the hell the network is or heard of it. It seems like people legitimately knew about The WB and UPN but I bet there were some people who didn’t though although I think the percentages would be way different.

                I think another difference is getting away from CBS with that partnership who I definitely believe like other people that CBS purposely holds the network back from being legit 25-54 competition so they hold it at 18-34 knowing young people either don’t watch live television or just don’t give a damn what’s on The CW.

                Yeah to me right now would be the perfect time to start eating their way into the perfectly put by you Not-So-Big-4 networks. Although most of the major sports rights are locked up through the next decade they can plan for like FOX did in the mid-90s. FOX was actually going in the right direction until the past 10 years. If a network was aggressive like FOX was in the 80s and 90s they could easily be successful especially since the bigger networks are way weaker now than they were back then to penetrate through.

                We really need a new network to come on the scene and shake things up quite a bit or these networks are going to die before 2030.

                • Thank you for the kind comments. 🙂

                  UPN had Star Trek Voyager, which was a big thing when it started, so people knew about it because of that and WBN had Seventh Heaven and a huge promo budget (which CW doesn’t have since it makes no money!!)

                  On UPN, it was actually funny, and a harbinger, to see them explain away the bad ratings by saying “you just can’t get high ratings on those stations” when they had gotten high ratings with the Voyager premiere. The show wasn’t very good (especially the first season) and that’s why it dropped quickly.

                  That said, it produced many more good shows than CW ever did…

                  I think FOX erred by buying into the 18-49 demo thing they started (which made sense when they started but not for a real network) and letting themselves be influenced by the local stations who wanted to keep the 10pm local news.

                  Nobody talks about it now, but it’s still not a “real network”, and likely will never be, but we’ve gotten used to it so it’s the “new normal”, along with not programming Saturdays…

                  FOX’s success relied of creator being given free rein, and even though it worked wonders, the executives could not let that continue as their job is to interfere (I mean help of course) the poor beleaguered creator make great shows.

                  Without executive help they made The Simpsons, not they make Son of Zorn thanks to executive notes…


    Updated Wednesday Primetime Results (key updates in red):

    “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit” (1.4/4 in 18-49, 5.8 million viewers overall from 9-10 p.m. ET):
    · Ties CBS’s “Criminal Minds” in 18-49 (1.4 vs. 1.4).

    · Outrates “Criminal Minds” in adults, men and women 18-34.

    · Grows +8% versus what the show was averaging at the end of last season in 18-49 (1.4 vs. 1.3 during the May sweep).

    “Chicago P.D.” (1.4/5 in 18-49, 6.2 million viewers overall from 10-11 p.m. ET):
    · Pulls within 0.2 of “Designated Survivor” (1.4 vs. 1.6 on Sept. 28), cutting its margin from 0.3 of a point one week ago (1.5 vs. 1.8) and 0.6 two weeks ago (1.6 vs. 2.2 on Sept. 21).

    · Grows +8% versus what the show was averaging at the end of last season in 18-49 (1.4 vs. 1.3 during the May sweep).

    · Grows week to week in total viewers (6.2 million vs. 6.1 million), despite last night’s Giants-Mets baseball playoff competition.

    · Ties for #1 in the time period among ABC, CBS and NBC in adults 18-34 and ranks #1 outright among those nets, ahead of ABC’s “Designated Survivor,” in women 18-34.

    · Outrates CBS’s “Code Black” in the time period in every key measure.

    “Blindspot” (1.3/5 in 18-49, 5.7 million viewers overall from 8-9 p.m. ET):
    · Matches last week’s 1.3 in 18-49 and grows +2% in total viewers (5.708 million vs. 5.604 million).

    · Equals the show’s highest 18-49 rating since April 25 (1.4), excluding a Sept. 14 episode that followed the season finale of “America’s Got Talent.”

    · Matches the show’s last four telecasts on Monday night last season, each of which benefited from a “Voice” lead-in.

    · Is up +18% versus NBC’s average in the hour last season in 18-49 (1.3 vs. 1.1, L+SD non-sports).

    NOTE: Primetime results are based on “live plus same day” data from Nielsen Media Research unless otherwise indicated.

  4. Arrow gets off to its worst start ever. I have seen fans either love or hate this show (unlike the Flash which seems to have a mostly positive reaction) . CW may want to consider concluding the show at some point unless this makes them happy (of course this probably hinders on how Supergirl premieres this coming up Monday).

    I am enjoying Designated Survivor and there appears to be a few characters to root for in a depressing scenario but sadly just like American politics, most are out for themselves.

    Are people enjoying the changes they made to Code Black? Rob Lowe in charge, the lady who was running Code Black is no longer running it and back to being in the ER. Combined OR and ER. And they got rid of two characters from last year with no explanation at all. I still watch.

  5. From what I read here, isn’t it true that both those shows already had fell-season orders?

    It’s a little marketing trick the networks have been playing since forever and that seems to still work.

    It relies on people forgetting what they’ve already read, so you get to announce the same news over and over again…

  6. Hey man Matt Stafford is growing into a great quarterback under JBC and he’s only 28 but he is going to be a free agent in 2018 so times are getting scary for us if we don’t resign him before the end of the next season. Stafford right now is no doubt a better quarterback than Eli and I’m one of those people that would defend Eli a lot especially after he won the first of his two Super Bowl titles.

    Don’t matter the Lions were a winning team before the Super Bowl era, the NFL did have a long history before 1966 may I remind you. It just wasn’t the Lions time but you know what both the Lions and Browns will have their time at some point soon and none of that will matter. When it was the Boston Red Sawx time they went out and won 3 championships even though they had to wait almost 100 years for it. Unlike most teams the Lions will win on their first try in the Super Bowl not like these chokers like the Viqueens, Bills, and Sheagles.

    2014 Nashville ratings when Chicago PD first moved there. You’re only talking about the ratings for Nashville from last season when it was a dead show. Even worse for DS since it’s a new show, Nashville when it was new in 2012 was getting stronger numbers there in 2012. You better hope it settles into that area because it even dropped at the half-hour just last night to 1.5. It’s not looking good for your new favorite show.

    Although time-shift doesn’t matter when it comes to live ratings, thanks for making my point about the time-shift thing that proves it’s in the wrong timeslot that people aren’t watching it live because that’s a bad timeslot for it.

    • In 2013, Nashville had already collapsed to 6 million viewers (which is actually bad even as most shows have trouble getting to that level).

      It did poorly throughout its whole run.

      On the time-shifting, I do disagree there is a “time-shifting crowd” as distinct from the general viewership.

      Shows with high time-shifting are shows that will get lower and lower ratings. It’s as simple as that.

      When you’re excited to see a show, you watch it quickly. When you’re not, you can wait.

      The one way 10pm shows are disadvantaged when it comes to Live+SD is that they only have one hour for people to watch the show compared to two or three for shows airing earlier.

      That said, real hits (or which there are so few left and no recent examples sadly) are shows people can’t wait to see.

      When you time-shift, it means you can wait…

    • How could DS be in the wrong time slot when it not only won the hour but was the network’s most watched show of the night!

      Ancient history about Lions and Browns. How about the now and future for both dismal franchises? They’ve had and will have different players, coaches, owners and stadiums — it’ll be the same old results.

      • It’s in the wrong timeslot because it’s not reaching its ratings potential just look at This Is Us which is in the right timeslot. I feel like I’m repeating itself when it comes to DS.

        Doesn’t matter every team is going to have their time in the son, the same people said this about the Saints before they finally won the Super Bowl. When it’s their time it will be their time. Every team in the NFL will win at some point even if it’s not in our lifetimes. I’m still celebrating that win against the Sheagles on Sunday and the Jays moving on so for me I can give a damn about history right now.

        • As long as you’ll repeat your bias against DS, I’ll continue to proclaim DS fine right where it is!

          Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it! Therefore, don’t expect much from currently incompetent franchises Detroit, Cleveland nor San Diego in the Super Bowl anytime soon.

          With that stated, hope to see the Cubs finally breakthrough to win the NL pennant.

          • And you will definitely repeat your favoritism towards DS being blinded to what’s going on here with that flop. Yeah that’s right I said it’s a flop and the biggest one so far of the season. People will sugarcoat it with Notorious and Conviction but those two shows were never expected to do well but DS was expected to.

            Well if that’s the case the Red Sox, Saints, and Cavs just this past year don’t win the championships in the past 10-12 years if that’s really the case so your point was already debunked there and it will be even worse if the Cubs win but I’m not rooting for them to win if they go against my Jays and even the Indians would be another debunking of that whole history repeats itself.

            Plus the whole history repeats itself thing is just like the people who use the curse excuse as a way to their defend their teams for the bad decisions they’ve made. I’ll admit upfront that the Lions, Browns, and Chargers have made bad decisions over the years. Even the Patriots for the longest time were bad until Kraft took over.

            I would at least like to see the Cubs breakthrough and capture the pennant this year. They got a young team who can always get back to the World Series.

            • In fairness, as far as seeing ads and posters, DS seems to me to have been ABC’s most-pushed show (even if they no longer have much of a budget for promotion).

              • Exactly that’s why I put DS and This Is Us up there as the two most promoted new shows of the fall season this year. That’s why I’m so hard on DS because it was promoted heavily to the moon and is getting sad ratings and becoming the latest casualty of time-shifted viewing excuses.

        • This is Us has a big lead-in. Almost anything there would do the same numbers (although I was surprised that they had a bump this week).

          • Yeah exactly remember when Chicago Med was there and look at it now on Thursdays. I’m not calling anything a hit like that unless it gets those same numbers on its own in a tough slot. Move This Is Us to Wednesdays or Thursdays next season and lets see how it does then. Just look at Blindspot without The Voice now or The Blacklist last season.

  7. Well Modern Family was bigger when Nashville first came out so bad comparison that failed there. It’s not the most watched now when it really counts and the Wednesday comedies aren’t even getting over 8 million viewers anymore and only one of them is in the 2s now so you’re telling me DS can’t defeat that?

    Well those teams and the ones you listed here at some point will do that when IT’S THEIR TIME!

    • I’ve been arguing for years that ABC’s campaign to convince people their Wednesday was hit-studded was highly misleading.

      You are right to contrast DS’ performance with those non-hit.

      I will give ABC one star, however, for having canceled Nashville and getting for a few weeks better ratings.

      I wish Dungey had canceled another 10 flops.

      • I’m glad Rena that you’ve been making the right case that ABC Wednesday is a PR night for the network they don’t have true hits there and never have since Lost was there in the mid-2000s. Everything is a pretend hit there and Designated Survivor along with Speechless are the newest pretend hits.

        DS dropped more viewers this week as well. I will actually agree with you about Nashville they should’ve actually cancelled it about two years ago. If Dungey wants my respect she needs to cancel a lot of things this season but my problem with her is I don’t think she’s the right person to find new hits.

        • Agreed. 🙂

          ABC has been playing the pretend-hit game for many years.

          I remember when Variety and The Hollywood Reported were waxing lyrical about their low-rated Wednesday comedies, saying that ABC had found the formula ad had a hit-strewn night.

          Not coincidentally Variety and The Hollywood Reporter ceased to exist as trades shortly thereafter as it became pointless to read them when you could just read the PR releases…

          Dungey is a creature of the current system. They all play musical chairs and go from one job to the next, but they all think the same way and can’t pick a good show to save their life. That’s why they should premiere tons of shows as by mistake they may find something that sticks (like Empire at FOX).

  8. There was nothing to be generous about the facts are the facts, DS is a flop probably a bigger one than Nashville will be considering the hype and expensive cast.

    Hey man if they never win in my lifetime it’s not going to make or break me as a fan I’m not a bandwagon dickrider I ride and die for my teams no matter what their records are. My teams aren’t going to win a championship in every year that I live nor do I expect them to. I will die at some point down the line knowing that they will still win it at some point. At this point for me I’m not even thinking about a championship right now I just want them to win the division and host a home playoff game and win that game.

  9. I’d been saying for years that Nashville was a big flop. For some reason, people insisted it was a hit (probably the new definition of “hit” as “show not canceled yet”!) 😉

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