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Patriots Victory Over the Buccaneers Leads CBS to Thursday Overnight Victory

'Will & Grace' Down but Far From Out on NBC


Household Rating/Share
CBS: 7.6/13, ABC: 4.3/ 7, NBC: 3.7/ 6, Fox: 2.4/ 4, CW: 0.4/ 1

Percent Change from Opening Thursday in 2016 – 9/21/16:
CBS: +23, ABC: no change, NBC: – 7, Fox: -11, CW: -43

-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS won this second Thursday in the 2017-18 TV season thanks to the New England Patriots/Tampa Bay Buccaneers match-up on NFL Football. The game averaged an estimated 8.1 rating/14 share in the household overnights for the primetime portion from 8:30-11 p.m. and it stood well above the competition. But there were a few other winners last night as well.

In week two return news, NBC’s “Will & Grace” lost steam, as expected. The sitcom scored a second-place 5.4/ 9 in households in the 9 p.m. half-hour, which was 30 percent below its hefty 7.7/12 last week. But that 5.4 overnight rating built from lead-in “The Good Place” (#3: 3.1/ 5 at 8:30 p.m.) by 74 percent and it was still well above anything the network has had in the sitcom department in years. While you can expect more erosion next week, NBC made the right choice bringing back this quartet.

Unfortunately, NBC’s sophomore “Great News” dropped the ratings ball at 9:30 p.m., with a fourth-place 2.5/ 4 (and retention out of “Will & Grace” of only 46 percent). Tina Fey just does not produce comedies that reach a mass audience.

Earlier in the evening on NBC was critically worthy “Superstore” at a third-place 3.0/ 5 (#3) in the 8 p.m. half-hour, which was on par with the year-ago evening. And relocated “Chicago Fire” at 10 p.m. (#2: 4.1/ 7) was on par with “The Blacklist” on the year-ago evening, besting ABC’s competing “How To Get Away With Murder” (#3: 3.0/ 5) by 37 percent in the household overnights.

In season-premiere news was ABC’s “Scandal” at a third-place 4.2/ 7 in the 9 p.m. hour, which was 24 percent above short-lived drama “Notorious” one year earlier. And the retention for “Scandal” out of warhorse “Grey’s Anatomy” (#2: 5.7/10) was 72 percent.

Over at Fox, the combination of “Gotham” (#4: 2.2/ 3) and “The Orville” (#4: 2.7/ 4) could not compete. But for a look at how “Gotham” does resonate in social media, click here

What follows is the breakdown by half-hour for Thursday, October 5:

8:00 p.m.
ABC – “Grey’s Anatomy”: 5.8/10 (#1)
CBS – NFL Football Kickoff: 4.8/ 9 (#2)
NBC – “Superstore”: 3.0/ 5 (#3)
Fox – “Gotham”: 2.2/ 4 (#4)
CW – “Supernatural” (R): 0.6/ 1 (#5)

8:30 p.m.
ABC – “Grey’s Anatomy”: 5.6/ 9 (#2)
CBS – Thursday Football (New England Patriots at Tampa Bay Buccaneers): 7.7/13 (#1)
NBC – “The Good Place”: 3.1/ 5 (#3)
Fox – “Gotham”: 2.1/ 3 (#4)
CW – “Supernatural” (R): 0.5/ 1 (#5)

9:00 p.m.
ABC – “Scandal” (season premiere): 4.3/ 7 (#3)
CBS – Thursday Football (New England Patriots at Tampa Bay Buccaneers): 8.5/14 (#1)
NBC – “Will & Grace”: 5.4/ 9 (#2)
Fox – “The Orville”: 2.7/ 4 (#4)
CW – “Arrow” (R): 0.4/ 1 (#5)

9:30 p.m.
ABC – “Scandal” (season premiere): 4.1/ 7 (#2)
CBS – Thursday Football (New England Patriots at Tampa Bay Buccaneers): 9.1/15 (#1)
NBC – “Great News”: 2.5/ 4 (#4)
Fox – “The Orville”: 2.7/ 3 (#3)
CW – “Arrow” (R): 0.4/ 1 (#5)

10:00 p.m.
ABC – “How to Get Away With Murder”: 3.1/ 5 (#3)
CBS – Thursday Football (New England Patriots at Tampa Bay Buccaneers): 7.6/13 (#1)
NBC – “Chicago Fire”: 4.6/ 7 (#2)

10:30 p.m.
ABC – “How to Get Away With Murder”: 2.9/ 5 (#3)
CBS – Thursday Football (New England Patriots at Tampa Bay Buccaneers): 8.1/14 (#1)
NBC – “Chicago Fire”: 4.1/ 7 (#2)

Source: Nielsen Media Research


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  1. That was a bit of a bigger drop than I had expected for W&G. Again, I wish that it was not buried in those ratings-challenged shows.

    • Same here although my line was anything above a 5.0 was healthy but still a sharper drop than I expected. Hopefully for NBC with this steep of a drop we barely see one in the coming weeks it probably already has stabilized. I think the problem is what you said though it’s buried in these ratings-challenged comedies and I always believed people who mentioned that factor had a point because we saw it happen last year with Chicago Med having to build so much out of the low-rated pair of comedies.

      W&G even back in its original run worked better around other better performing comedies so NBC really dropped the ball on not giving it better support. They have to comeback in January with at least one change being being made or CBS is gonna kill them.

      • I have had some long work days so have not actually seen the episode yet. Will watch it this weekend. I am not sure what comedies NBC has in development and if there is anything to match with it.

        • Same here on the work end so I haven’t caught too many things this fall I catch what I can catch and try to stick with my regulars on a weekly basis. W&G is definitely worth watching though especially last week’s episode it was so funny and good I actually watched that one 3 times now and I haven’t done that with a comedy in a long time.

          Yeah it doesn’t sound like anything’s been announced as far as development goes for NBC’s comedies. I hope they can find at least one match or what might be easier is just to reboot another comedy from the past which will be the easiest way to find a successful hit comedy.

          • Wasn’t NBC trying to reboot Coach (even though it was an ABC show) but dropped the idea?
            I have to say that I am not really looking forward to the Roseanne reboot. I loved the early years of the show but it turned into such a debacle, in my opinion, that I worry that it will resemble the later seasons rather than the earlier ones.

            • Yeah they were like a couple of years ago I remember it because this was around the time Fuller House got into development and Netflix eventually picked it up. I’m not sure what went wrong there with Coach but I was looking forward to it. I think NBC can find something stronger to reboot though. I would like to see them try Saved By the Bell and get the regular cast to do it because I remember how popular the Fallon segment was on YouTube a couple of years ago so there’s some interests there from its fanbase.

              Yeah with Roseanne, I was always more interested in the W&G reboot. I’m just really unsure how Roseanne is going to be done but I hope they surprise us and it’s better than the way they left it off. Roseanne was at its best in the earlier years. They also had such an abysmal ending but we’ll see what happens with that.

              So far though Will & Grace and Fuller House reboots have both been good and when it was on Disney Channel, Girl Meets World was actually better than Boy Meets World starting around the second season. I heard good things about Raven’s Home but haven’t seen an episode yet. These comedy reboots for the most part haven’t been bad.

              • You may be right on Saved by the Bell, although I was never a fan. The ultimate for me, and it will never happen, would be Friends.

                • Saved By the Bell has a large fanbase I think it will do alright if the regular cast comes back and its done right. My favorite comedy of all-time is Friends and I know people will have that at the top of their list revivals they want back even more than Seinfeld. It’s never going to happen or it won’t happen while the actors are still in their prime because they’re not all available right now and I think Ross doesn’t want to do it but they can do it without him. If it ever happened they would be old.

                  • No, Friends will never be rebooted unless they did it again with a totally different cast, which might be interesting. They could not even get the six of them together to do a show celebrating the anniversary…not a scripted show but just be on stage together discussing it.

                    • I object to the idea that a remake of Friends would be interesting.

                      No more remakes!! No more reboots!!!

                      At least as long as the same bad producers make them…

                    • Like I said before Ross was the hold up the other five said they wouldn’t mind doing it but they’re not available right now and when they are available they’ll be too old. I think you might be right if they did a reboot it would have to be a different cast. I wouldn’t mind it but I know people would reject so they’re better off letting it be if they had to go that route. I think these revivals work better when you can get a few of the characters or all of the characters from the original to do it.

  2. NBC should totally ax Great News when we get to the hiatus period and don’t bring it back in January. I don’t think The Good Place should comeback next season either. Superstore is the only one I can vouch for because of syndication. Hopefully W&G holds up so that it can remain strong going into next season.

    Last night’s episode of W&G was way better probably their best episode since season 4 honestly. It was simple and fun so the the couple of people who heard from critics about the next two episodes being better were right.

    • You’re right on Great News of course. The problem is if they axe it, they really should axe most of their lineup…

      On ABC, renewing HTGAWM is paying dividends…. in ever lower ratings and Scandal also has terrible ratings, but nobody will talk about it because there’s so much worse everywhere… 🙁

      • I agree NBC should clean house on its comedies, Will & Grace gives them some hope here to find some stronger comedies.

        Yeah when your network is terrible everything is a problem and some things get overlooked. That’s how FOX has been for a while and how NBC was a few years ago when Zucker was running the show.

        • The worst about Zucker is that he started the “we can only lose” way of thinking that is still afflicting the thinking at NBC.

          Because he killed Must-See TV and crippled the network with his insane Jay Leno at 10pm experiment (and incessant Dateline NBC episodes), the company now has a culture of failure.

          He is now killing CNN dead (not that it’s difficult, it was already barely breathing…)

          • Yeah it has trickled down badly as his killing of Must See TV was an absolute crime that was the golden cherry of the network. Zucker hated traditional comedies and that zapped the comedy audience they had left over after Friends and Frasier had left the airwaves and the guy couldn’t find a steady hit or drama to save his life. The Jay Leno thing crippled NBC’s 10pm hour for a few years and killing ER might’ve not been a good idea either.

            Damn he’s still at CNN no wonder they’re failing badly than they already were before.

            • I was wondering how he’d manage to make CNN do worse than it already was, but he did it. They’ve now lost 100% of their credibility and Zucker is ordering shows like that music show with The Rock (which really says “credible news organization”…)

              It’s amazing that Hollywood is so blinded by its inbred culture it actually still thinks the guy is competent.

              Another thing that flabbergasts me is there’s still people out there who think it’s OK to have bad ratings if the shows are cheap… Zucker proved it was the recipe for network death…

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