Monday Final Nationals: ‘Supergirl’ Soars in CW Debut

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1. Wow

2. A show with 3 million viewers has never been and will never be a “hit” (well maybe if the population shrinks to 40 million people!).

   Once again, the word loses all meaning when it’s applied to a big flop like Supergirl.

   • So all CW shows is worse flops then. Your whole mindset makes zero sense. You come off like a troll in all your comments here

     • I guess it had been too long since we had name-calling here.

       What a shame. 🙁

       Just because someone says something you disagree with doesn’t mean they’re trolling, person-who-never-posted-here-before-and-now-insults-me… 😉

       Yes. ALL shows on CW ARE flops.

       CW NEVER had any hit.

       Sorry for the screaming… 😉

       It’s sad, but they’ve been that awful at picking shows.

       The expression is “good for the CW”, and “good for the CW” means “bad”.

       • Its funny you are the only one having such a skewed opinion.

         • What do you mean skewed opinion?

         • As Einstein once said, it doesn’t matter if a thousand experts disagree with me. It only takes one to prove me wrong.

           A lot of fans take offense at calling the CW flops flops because they like comic-books and want more comic-book shows (given how awful they are I don’t really understand but that’s how it is).

           CW has been for years trying to re-define its viewership levels as “good for CW”, making us forget that they are a major free-to-air network with 99% reach.

           If you look objectively at their ratings, all their shows have flopped. No exception.

           The fact you like one or more of them doesn’t change that sad statistic.

           • The problem with your mindset is how you determine what is a flop. A flop is a show or movie that falls below expectations. The CW shows are getting their expected ratings. It was never expected to be a CBS and it never will be.

             • The problem with your mindset is that you declare a show a hit if you set the expectation that it’ll fail. 😉

               Sorry, couldn’t resist the wording. 🙂

               But seriously, the CW is a major, free-over-the-air broadcast network.

               There is no objective reason it should have different expectations than the other free-to-air networks.

               It has roughly the same reach and has existed for years now.

               The reason all its shows flop is because they’re bad.

               Now you’d be right to say that even if they put on a good show, it’d probably have trouble doing well because for those viewers who even know CW still exists, their reputation as a provider of quality programming is completely shot.

               Then again, it’s never happened so far in the whole history of the network.

               But that is why I (and HelloLarry who shared my opinion) was saying that they need to can the whole network and re-brand if they want to continue.

               At this point the very name “CW” carries negative equity.

               • Bad according to whom? Most the CW shows get high marks from the critics.
                 The Rotten Tomatoes scores for Supergirl, 98% positive. Arrow 97%, Flash 94%, Supernatural, 92%, Jane the Virgin 100%, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend 98%.
                 Now compare that to some shows on CBS with high 18-49 ratings and high viewership. Bull 24%, Kevin Can Wait 30%, Man With a Plan 21%, 2 Broke Girls 0%, The Odd Couple 24%.
                 Basically CBS can put on any old crap and people eat that up. Because for some reason the name CBS seems to denote quality?

                 • Bad according to the viewers.

                   They could watch the shows, but choose not to.

                   It’s not because they’ve been blown away by the quality.

                   What you just demonstrated is that critics wouldn’t know a good, well-made show if they saw one…

                   Or perhaps they hate good shows – they certainly seem to love ratings-losers and hate anything successful…

                   The name CBS does denote quality for viewers (to a certain degree which is still more than any other network).

                   NBC used to denote quality back when. Now it’s Nothing But Crap when it comes to scripted shows sadly.

                   CW never had anything good and its reputation is so shot, many people don’t even remember it exists.

                   • Bad according to what viewers?

                   • To the viewers deliberately choosing not to watch.

             • Spindae over on spoilertv is completely not thinking regarding SG. Saving face is this idiot for real, SG is finally giving them good ratings on mondays where they have struggled for years. Its such a tough timeslot for the CW with so many shows, NFL, WWE, Voice, DWTS, Kevin ect. Even the rating it got in ep 4 is 100% increase from last year. And this fool is taking about probably giving it short season renewal. Does this moron even know it will have 42 episodes under its belt after this season it will get full season renewals, also it was freakin halloween, SG is a family show so of course it dropped on that day. Hell Flash will drop next year when it will be against Halloween. Arrow dropped in s1 when it faced Halloween. Spindae, Ezio, CGS are clowns, they have absolutely no idea what they are babbling about, SG will last a long time. Thats for sure. Richard Dower is also insanely pathetic his views are insane. It was freakin HALLOWEEN. Every CW show that has faced it went down even Arrow in s1

               • You don’t seem to realize that ALL CW shows are flops.

                 They ALL have bad ratings.

                 Sorry to emphasize, but I find it amazing that there are still people outside the CW PR Department that seem to think any of their shows gets good ratings.

                 CW has been renewing flops for years and years, so getting renewed by CW is meaningless when it comes to evaluate commercial success (but so sweet for the producers lining their pockets making bad shows!!)

                 • The CW shows make Warner Bros. over $1 billion dollars a year. That’s almost as much as their superhero movies. You have no clue what a flop is.

                   • Do tell where you’re getting those hilarious figures from… 😉

                     Because if a flotilla of flops made so much money for Warner, imagine what a single hit like Big Bang would make!!!

                     I do know what a flop is: it’s a show with no viewers.

                     That’s what CW has a whole network of…

3. Hi!
   If possible, half-hours for CBS’ ”Two Broke Girls,” please.
   Thanks in advance.

   • 2 Broke Girls (CBS, 10/10)

     Total viewers, in millions (Adults 18-49 rating/share)

     9:00 6.501 (1.7/5)
     9:30 6.227 (1.7/5)

4. When are you adding the table grid?

   • They’re located in the post.

5. Supergirl made a nice transition to CW. Demos are not far off from what it was doing on CBS at the end of last season. Should be more than enough to be profitable for CW. Given how the major networks often dip below a 1.0 demo these days, anytime the CW can get near or above a 1.0 is a good thing.

   • First a 1.0 rating in ANY demo is bad. I’ll remind all of us (except TerrenceMoss 🙂 ) that it means 1% of your target audience…

     Second, they don’t get paid for that anyway.

     Third, I don’t see how they’ll make money with a show that’s getting awful ratings.

     It’s not like the other, higher-rated networks are rolling in the dough (as we can plainly see with the lack of marketing Dollars to launch new shows and the lack of enough product to replace flops).

     “Good for the CW” = bad. 😉

     • Warner Bros. makes its money by selling syndication packages. The only purpose of the CW is it gives them a place to generate enough 1st run episodes to have a sell-able syndication package that they wouldn’t have with the broadcast networks. They lose money airing the shows, but overall is it profitable for them. So ratings are irrelevant.

       • That’s not really true.

         While the syndication arm will generate money, it will be very little as it is selling shows people didn’t want to watch when they were brad new.

         The overall result of the network’s losses and the tiny syndication (and foreign sales) revenue will be a negative.

         Some network executives have been saying they don’t need they don’t need anyone to ever watch their shows to make money.

         It is evidently ridiculous.

         When you make TV shows, you sell pairs of eyes. Even in syndication where, you may not know it, a lot of the sales are in barter (ie. the stations get the shows for free or very little and the syndicator keeps commercial time), you desperately need viewers to make money.

6. Live+3 vs. Live+SD data for Monday 10/10/2016

   Adults 18-49
   …………………………….. L+SD … L+3
   Dancing/Stars ………… 1.62 … 1.90
   Conviction ……………… 0.78 … 1.17
   Big Bang Theory ……… 3.44 … 5.03
   Kevin Can Wait ……….. 2.11 … 2.72
   2 Broke Girls …………… 1.71 … 2.13
   Scorpion ………………… 1.33 … 1.99
   The Voice ……………….. 2.93 … 3.52
   Timeless ………………… 1.43 … 2.23
   Gotham …………………. 1.09 … 1.63
   Lucifer …………………… 1.05 … 1.72
   Supergirl ………………… 1.09 … 1.48
   No Tomorrow-r ……….. 0.21 … 0.24

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   Total Viewers (000)
   …………………………….. L+SD … L+3
   Dancing/Stars ………. 10429 .. 11745
   Conviction ……………… 4229 … 5960
   Big Bang Theory …… 14412 .. 18581
   Kevin Can Wait ………. 8703 .. 10371
   2 Broke Girls ………….. 6365 … 7460
   Scorpion ……………….. 7046 … 9641
   The Voice …………….. 11369 .. 13207
   Timeless ………………… 6201 … 9298
   Gotham …………………. 3418 … 4735
   Lucifer …………………… 3667 … 5605
   Supergirl ………………… 3063 … 4142
   No Tomorrow-r …………. 762 …. 852